Joined: Sat 13 May 2017 11:27
Hello to all of you out there.
Me since 1989, but I first heard of it when it came out in 1985. I remember seeing "side by side" comparison advertisements with Atai ST's of "who's got the bigger, errr, better...." and pretty much drooling over the both of them... That is until I went in and saw a demo in 1987 or 1988.... Saw NewTek Demo Reel 3, and was UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY!!!!!!!!!
I am an Amiga fanatic since 1994.
Also, around then, had a chance to play with an Atari 520 for 3 or 4 days.... Couldn't do ANYTHING with it. There wasn't a DOS shell!!!!
Got an A2000 in 1989, and THAT WAS IT..... AMIGA.... or NOTHING from there on!
The C=64 was a FUN computer, but it wasn't really for serious computing. I had limited exposure to it from when friends came over with one.
I make my first steps with a C=64 like the most of us i believe.
It's JUST PAST DAWN of not a new day but of a NEW ERA for AMIGA!!!! (Which, for Vampires, would NORMALLY be VERY VERY VERY BAD!!!! )
Since then things happens in the world and changes to the computer industry. After Commodore days and the fall down of the Phase5 , i was most in time waiting for a new fresh air to change all this dirty situation for us.
For the first time i smell the freshness ... After years .. So i weak up and turn my ears and my look in something that was left open and empty in the past.... Someone steel our dreams. Someone steel our happiness . But now i feel like a very happy man who have find his way....
Well, not exactly a "side-by-side" comparison, but there are 2 videos that I can refer to.
-But in the next , i must apologize to all of u like brothers . What is your opinion to the followings :
a) Has any make a running test against the Raspberry's family? I never had such but have it in mind..
So, in this video, if you go to 7:20, you'll see the numbers of
Now, this is March 29, 2017. I believe that he is using Apollo Core 2 back then. The MFLOPS number is not real because they did not make the FPU segment of the core available yet. However, someone made a software floating point unit that can be used until the FPGA version that the Apollo Team made, release theirs.
This video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq2fmhO7dOo dated July 23, 2017 is mjnurney announcing that he got the Apollo Core 2.5, beta.
Here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTCObwDa1-E (July 30, 2017) mjnurney shows the original numbers from Core 2 at 2:05. Then the software FPU's numbers at 4:20. Oddly, the Femu (FPU emulator) gives a number (74.90 MFLOPS) that is practically the same as the "fake" number, that was generated back in March?!?!!! So, is there or isn't a FPU active? Well, keep watching for another 5 minutes to... find out! And another at 13:12. After that, he doesn't try to get another Femu score. So, it stands at MAYBE 74.90 MFLOPS.
And here is a video that is, supposedly staking the heart of the Vampire, being a slayer, or is it??
At 6:05, we see a rating of 136.38 MIPS for a Raspberry Pi 3. That is 30.96% faster than the Vampire 2. Meanwhile, there's a strange anomaly of ONLY 4.59 MFLOPS?!!!
Let's talk about the 30.96% deficit of the Vampire 2 (and ignore the FPU rating as it seems to be, distorted, to say the least and I'll add, on both systems as well).
So, we have the Raspberry 3 beating the Vampire 2 board and it's cheaper.
Let's look at the technology at play.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspb ... enchmarks/
The Raspberry Pi 3 is running at 1.2 Gigahertz and using 1 gigabyte of RAM.
If you check the video, he's got it working with 8,224,296 bytes of Chip RAM and 110,154,126 Fast RAM = 118,378,422 bytes, meanwhile, the poor old Vampire 2 has 128 MEGS of RAM! AND SO, they've managed (in the old bull gatez style) to reduce a 1.2 GHz/1 GB system down to a ~122 MHz performance computer!!!!! The Vampire is using a ~93 MHz FPGA.
Now, the NEW Vampire 4, it is using a Cyclone 5 FPGA that is about 25% faster than the Vampire 2. That will move the bar to 130.18 MIPS (104.14 +25%) which is 4.8% slower than the Raspberry Pi 3. Vampire 4 has 512 Megabytes of RAM!
If one goes down the path of Raspberry Pi 3, though, they will help destroy REAL, GENUINE PROGRESS and ADVANCEMENT of the AMIGA LEGACY....
Amiga Forever will NEVER have super AGA modes, and the AMMX instructions of the FPGA Apollo Core. It will NEVER have the 64 bit instructions that are part of the Apollo Core. The SAGA (Super-AGA) custom chip portion of the Vampire will allow for 25/50/75% splits of ChipRAM/FastRAM, environments. And there's more.... when we get an ARRIA 10 FPGA standalone board, even a 3 GHz i7 would struggle to match the performance that those will deliver!!!!
(The Raspberry Pi, just like windbloats, has too much baggage!!!)
Buying a raspberry and using UAE will derail all of that TASTY GOODNESS into the ravine!!!!!
Unknown. ALL the prices are unknown. Couldn't be more than ~$75 US.
b) Which will be the price difference between the Standalone and the A1200 ?
The formfactor of the Vampire 4 board is 120mmx100mm. There isn't any case that it matches up with. Some unique case, or a real jigsaw puzzle is what you're looking at.
c) I have a empty A1200 case and want to use it. Which option is the best ?
With the standalone, the best part is that you will be totally unhindered by possible errors communicating with old, possible faulty HW and maybe conflicting timing issues interfacing with the slow system you're connected to. Maybe SW and RAM address issues could arise as well. But, you will lose things like the floppy drive (that is a BIG DEAL) and the various ports on the back of the computer. None of the expansion cards that were made are possible to use, either. But those are VERY slow, compared to the newer technology we are getting our hands on.
d) Which option is the better between Standalone and A1200 motherboard ?
The standalone, I feel, will have the least amount of "issues". Brand new hardware, through and through. It will be more expensive because of needing some case solution. And, I think it is more expensive, anyway.
About, well, the standalone I think is first out of the gate.
e) How much possible is in the near future to get this beauty from a local store or somehow in our hands ?
It will sell out quickly when released, unless they make 1,000 of them. Even then.....
So, probably by October or November 2017, if you're lucky. Otherwise, I'd say it'll be an easy purchase by January 2018. There are 4 or more online stores that will carry it.
You couldn't begin to imagine how excited I am over this.... you really can't!!!!!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WwkhRAeJ_c <--- what UAE WON'T be doing, anytime soon!!!!!]