Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

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Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by Niding » Sun 18 Dec 2016 13:24

So, this is a very subjective ...subject ;)

I happened to find an A4000 Desktop for sale, and its really a machine I dreamt of owning back in my youth. Today I have A1200 (which will be Vampirized in 2017 I hope), and I already have V600.
The advantage I see from an A4000 is the expandability with the zorro slots (or mediator). I do NOT see myself expanding an A4000 with classic 060 or PPC, nor classic graphics cards. I might consider upgrading with a sound/music card;
Delfina or Prisma for example. Also Rapidroad USB would be intresting. Also IF a Vampire was developed for the A4000, it would be a great machine/box.

But then I start thinking about; Why bother with A4000 if I get a V1200? Harddrive access speeds is kinda crippling on the V600 at the moment, so that would be a nice change IF I got A4000.
Then the question becomes, since Im fully into the Vampire camp, and I WILL get a V1200 and Standalone Vampire, will there be much reason to get A4000 beyond the novelty of owning REAL classic hardware.
Will there be enough performance based arguments to justify it when you have the Vampire in the background?

I guess the BIG issue for me at the moment with regards to Amiga usage is; Harddisk speed and Internet download.

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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by TuKo » Sun 18 Dec 2016 13:55

well.. that's a good topic :)

I also have a Amiga 4000D highly upgraded with Cyberstorm MK2 68060@66MHz, 128Mb, Indivision AGA, FastATA, Cybervision 64 4MB and I have to admit that since Vampire came out... I only powered it on to compare benchmarks.

Once V1200 or standalone will be there, I'll only keep it for emotional purpose but will not bother to power it on again (I might also consider putting it on a box to keep it away from UV).

At the end, it's very personal but I can say that Vampire and it's small footprint seduced me from day one.
A600, V600 V2, A604n+Indi+RTC, CF 32Gb, WiFi
A500+, V500 V2+, Kipper 1MB ChipRAM, CF 32GB, Indivision ECS, ESP8266, Plipbox
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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by Niding » Sun 18 Dec 2016 13:59

Indeed, and thats my tought/fear aswell.

As I told Epsilon via PM on IRC; my real issue with the V600 is harddisk and internet speed.

I got a feeling that V1200 or/and Vampire Standalone will take care of that...?

Additionally; Im seriously considering putting my A1200 into a Tower/or a desktop home entertainment box whenever I get a Vampire for it.

But IF harddrive and internet speed aint a problem in future setups of Vampires, then it becomes a moot point.

Anyone tested this by the way? http://us-shop.elbox.com/en_US/p/FastAT ... -CFSATA/58

Would this fit alongside Vampire in the A1200? :?

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Post by TuKo » Sun 18 Dec 2016 15:30

Once someone writes a driver for ESP8266 (the small Arduino module I've put on V500+), we will be able to connect to 802.11 b/g/n networks, so I'm not worried about Internet speed. We just need that coder to show up :)

About A1200, on my side I'm looking forward for the new A1200 cases from Philipp Lang, it'll be a perfect match with V1200 (HDMI output slot, HxC, etc.). IMHO, Putting A1200 in a desktop/tower kills the *transportability* of this Amiga. Better get an A3000T/A4000T for that purpose.

This is also pure assumption as specs are still not fixed about V1200, but it'll probably benefits from the same IDE port as V500+ which can boost up to 11MB/s. FastATA will become useless.

So... RTG + Fast IDE + Fast CPU + new case --> best match for me :)

( Mech should also consider redoing Power Supplies... http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57275 )
A600, V600 V2, A604n+Indi+RTC, CF 32Gb, WiFi
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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by Niding » Sun 18 Dec 2016 15:40

Your thoughts about Prisma in A1200 alongside of Vampire?

FOL did mention on EAB that it worked on the 604n memory expansion clockport (careful; make sure correct connection orientation). Its getting somewhat crowded in the A1200 Case ;)

And yeah, I already got one of Mech's PSU's, in addition to a A500 and A600 PSU.

11 MB/S and fast internet, in addition to the constantly updated Netsurf sounds like a bright future (Which is why ive donated 40 Euro to Arti. Pocketmoney, but hopefully Im not the only one).
Final Writer is being updated too, so "just" need a updated PDF reader now, and maybe a tweak of TurboCalc :lol:
On that topic; using Fusion; are there any decent MacOS Spreadsheet programs for the 68k? While TurboCalc is a very good program, its showing its age somewhat.

The ESP8266 module, is that something that will be easily available for the common man/not soldier proficient to purchase down the road?

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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by TuKo » Tue 20 Dec 2016 14:09

I have no thought about Prisma on A1200 along of Vampire, let's say this product is not targetting me :)

I've been very careful with connecting things to the A604n clockport as I've seen a bunch of RapidRoads dying connected to it recently...

The ESP8266 is available for 2$ on eBay :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PCS-ESP8266-ES ... Swk5FUt8Sq
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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by guibrush » Thu 5 Jan 2017 14:53

Well, I'm in this situation too : I have an Amiga 4000 with Cyberstorm 060 and PicassoIV and an AmigaOne x1000, and I muss say that I didn't use them anymore for other than testing purpose (most benchmarking). As you said, when the Vampire exist for the 1200, and then as standalone, I don't see why we still need something on a Zorro board.
Ha, and don't buy the rapidroad, it's very unstable. I fried 2, just by unpluging an USB key. So....
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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by Niding » Thu 5 Jan 2017 19:50

Yeah. My Rapidroad is toast aswell. I just gave it to the dude that did the capping of my A600 and 1200 motherboard. Something he could tinker with if he felt like it ;)

With Googledrive I feel I dont really need the USB connection anyhow, even tho it was quite convinient.

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Re: Classic hardware and Upgrades VS Vampire

Post by TuKo » Thu 5 Jan 2017 20:55

I left the USB idea behind since I got network on my miggies. I can work around nearly any storage need through network (even mount an ISO through Samba if needed). We also have good options now for USB mouse and external keyboards (SUM USB, cheap eBay Mouse USB adapter, etc.).
A600, V600 V2, A604n+Indi+RTC, CF 32Gb, WiFi
A500+, V500 V2+, Kipper 1MB ChipRAM, CF 32GB, Indivision ECS, ESP8266, Plipbox
A4000D, CS MK2 68060@66MHz 128Mb, Indi MK2cr, CF 16Gb, CV64 4Mb, FastATA MK-VI, Ariadne II

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